Jamie Oliver sprawls out on a sofa in a Hamburg hotel. It got late yesterday, he met his friend Tim Mälzer, we sat together for a long time. But he can also chat tiredly. He starts with that right away, as he always does in his cooking shows, where the viewer wonders how someone can talk so calmly while their hands are simultaneously cutting, chopping, shaping and, incidentally, the contents of a turn pan.
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